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I'm writing a new story.

It began as an experiment. Shawn Coyne, my editing mentor, wanted to find out whether an accomplished writer (me) could create a fresh story by borrowing the deep structure of a masterwork, but changing the setting.

If I could, he would publish it.

The masterwork he chose was Annie Proulx's "Brokeback Mountain," and my task was to transpose it to Regency England.

The experiment was a success in that it did inspire me to start a new story, something I haven't been able to do for more than three years.

It was a failure, however, in that all Shawn's rules blocked me for almost nine months, and I wasn't able to break the blockage till I broke most of the rules.

Once I finally let my story diverge--from "Brokeback," from Shawn's idea of its meaning, from the scenes I'd written in the first days of the experiment, and at last, from the experiment itself--it was no longer the thing Shawn wanted. Which means Story Grid probably won't publish it.

It is the story of two lower-class men (servants) who meet on the job and fall in love. But that's where the "Brokeback" scaffolding ends. I'm changing everything else. Above all, I am not going to kill one of them. I don't think we need any more buried gays.

Instead I borrowed other stories' scaffolding: the devoted but deluded servant in The Remains of the Day. The relationship dynamic from The Untamed. Part of the ending of The Song of Achilles.

And the true-life history of Matthew Tomlinson whose 1810 diaries were recently uncovered.

I'm submitting the first act of this no-longer-anything-like-Brokeback story to a writing partner in a couple of days, and we'll see how it goes.

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24/3/20 01:12 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Wow, that sounds so interesting! So, does Mr Coyne know about fanfic?

I applaud you not kililng any more gays. As 'true' (in many ways) as Brokeback was, the story and movie were both depressing as hell. Bravo for something with a more hopeful (dare I say happy?) ending.

Good luck!

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24/3/20 01:43 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Yes, exactly - I really hope we can move past stories like that.

True fact - I got into fanfiction way back in the early 90s because i was *so tired* of all the profic with same sex couples that were dark, depressing, hopeless, and usually ended in someone dying. Fanfic had actual love and sex and happy endings!

Your story sounds pretty interesting - something I'd definitely read. :D

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24/3/20 01:55 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Hee!
Honestly, it makes sense. I'm not asexual, but - I don't really like to be touched, and i don't like or want sex probably 99% of the time. I find it just...uncomfortable to watch heterosexual (or lesbian) sex scenes (or read them), because, I guess, it's assumed i'll be interested, turned on, want to do that, whatever.

M/M sex puts no expectations on me of any kind, so it's much more freeing, interesting and...a turn on. Which i guess might be weird? WHO KNOWS.

I know i was slashing book characters for years before I even found same-sex books (I think the first time ever was Colin/Dickon in The Secret Garden).

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24/3/20 02:16 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
ONLY IN MY HEAD! :D
*twirls you*
YES! Secret Garden and A Little Princess were and are favorites - i've read and read and read them - still do!

Oh, man - Weinstein et al's 'vision' of women, men, and sexuality is so skewed, so forced, so *boring*. OMG. I think that's the biggest factor there. It's DULL. Predictable, cliched and tropey in all the worst ways.

I think the more open we are, the easier it is to figure out just *who* we are, and what we like.

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24/3/20 02:58 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ranunculus
I loved Secret Garden as a kid - I think that my greatest attraction was to the garden itself....

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24/3/20 04:02 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
I've wanted to find a garden like that ever since I first read it. :D

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24/3/20 14:32 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Hey, you!
Well - I do *hope* you mean me! :D
Long time no 'see' - how are you? How is the plague treating you? I hope you and yours are well.
Up to anything new and fun? Or old and familiar?
It's nice to talk to you - you've been missed!

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24/3/20 16:39 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ravurian
I did indeed mean you! It's nice to see you. I've been around and about lurking, but haven't really been able to string two words together much (hear [personal profile] darkemeralds laugh hollowly at that, because in chat I just Will Not Shut Up).

I am working from home, having self-isolated a week or so ago. It's going okay so far - no murders yet, at least. All okay with you and yourn?

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24/3/20 17:10 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Hee, just checking. Sometimes people hit reply to a comment instead of a post and it's a little weird? But it happens.

HA! I am the same - haven't posted here in a bit, and am not terribly chatty, but spend most of my day on ICQ with my bffs Snow and Darkhavens.

I'm at home, as well - can't actually work from home, though (I work at the Fire Department), but I'm still getting paid, thank gods. We only got our county's first positive result last week, but now we're up to four and the governor *finally* started to tell everyone to shut things down. So we'll see how that goes.

Mostly everyone I know is good and safe, working from home or sadly not working (my brother is a massage therapist), so we'll see how that 'pay people money to help them' thing goes. If the GOP had their way, we'd get nothing at all (and they've publicly said if some old people have to die, well....)

SO! I watch a lot of stuff, write as much as i can, and enjoy my cats.

Glad nobody has been murdered yet! :D
Edited 24/3/20 17:10 (UTC)

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24/3/20 01:14 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] donutsweeper
Congrats on finishing the first act!

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24/3/20 02:59 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ranunculus
That sounds like a really fun, and interesting story to write. I agree with you, we don't need to rehash Brokeback.

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24/3/20 03:13 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ranunculus
It is interesting, the DW site is optimized for fan fic but I don't write or even really read fan fic. For me the site is where I blog about real life. Partly to share and partly as a really handy record.
Edited 24/3/20 03:14 (UTC)

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24/3/20 03:17 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ranunculus
On that point I agree entirely!

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24/3/20 13:47 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] ravurian
I am so relieved that you've recovered yourself in this. I know we've talked before about my own experience privileging someone else's opinion above my own and allowing someone to impose their voice over mine, and how detrimental that was to my writing (and how wary I am of doing that myself to others), and I am glad that you (seem to) have pushed through that and out the other side. The most saliant lesson here is, I think, that you cannot write without having something to say (even if you're not sure what that is), and you certainly can't write with someone else's hand over your mouth (or, um, somewhere else, puppeting you).

I for one would love to see what you have, but I understand that I am not always ideal for these things, being prone to Opinions.

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24/3/20 18:14 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] sasha_feather
That sounds like a fabulous book!

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24/3/20 18:17 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] branchandroot
That sounds more likely to result in something fresh, honestly, if you take structure from more than one work rather than sticking to one. And the deeper you get into the story, the more it /has/ to have more outgrowth in order to really be yours, yes?

(Plus, I'm one hundred percent behind refusing to bury more gays.)

Honestly, I feel like causing a sea change in what comes after is more the mark of a masterwork than anything, and that's such an organic interaction of the story and the moment and the author's awareness of both. Surely it's your own awareness of those that will create a fresh story, more than adhering to the deep structure, which seems like the least original part of any story. (Not that I'm a hardcore constructivist, or anything. ^_^)

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25/3/20 00:10 (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] lyr
It sounds like an awesome story!

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